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Shaun Hoddy
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Posted: 23 Jul 2008 at 6:37pm |
Yoshi ask Dave Ruben if he thought Ken Broome's Aikido was lame when he visited Dr Lee Ah Loi's Dojo and taught us Yoshinkan Aikido many years ago.
I had the fortune of practising at one of the top Tomiki style clubs in the UK with both good Kata people and some top notch competitive Aikidoka who were far from lame many of these had represented the EAA in international competitions. we practiced constant hikitategeiko both Toshu and Tanto for the last hour of the class.
As pointed out by Steve Billett many Aikidoka practice as a Leisure activity many of these also practice as Aiki Bunnies.
I know for a fact that most students today would not have the spirit to practice like we did several times a week, thats why the dan grade classes were small at Yawara.
In my own Dojo many of my students are happy to practice once maybe twice a week as a Leisure activity.
What I am really getting at its not the Art or style but the spirit of the Aikidoka there are good and poor in all styles of Aikido.
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Sue Ward
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 at 11:42am |
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I would never want to pass judgment on anyone else's aikido - either their commitment to it or the style they practice.
But I do agree that those who truly 'live and breathe aikido' are perhaps now few and far between. My Sensei is also 'old school' and comes from the days when to 'tap out' was to show weakness. His teacher got him out of bed at 5am on winter mornings to train on tatami covered in ice. He trained 7 days a week. He taught and trained with broken bones, pretty much sacrificed his home life to the study and teaching of aikido and spent a small fortune travelling around the UK and abroad to further his studies.
Warm ups before training were unheard of. Teaching strategies and coaching skills were a mystery to his teacher. You just got on the mat and trained and trained and trained and if you couldn't put in the hours - or didn't want to put in the commitment - then you were 'out' (or the subject of much berating).
It was just a different way of teaching that perhaps enabled those who were dedicated and/or gifted (or both). But it certainly excluded those who couldn't step up to the level required.
But I know for sure that if we applied these same rigorous methods today then our classes would be tiny and our dojo would not exist.
I love training in aikido - but I cannot do it regularly anymore. I like to interact and have fun on the mat - for me it is now about life balance. I get all the challenges I need at work - I don't need them in my 'hobby' too! Maybe I don't take it that seriously now - I don't look to grade. But it would be a sad day for me if I could never get on the mat again.
So we all look for different things in the aikido we do - and this may change over time too - and that seems just fine to me.
S
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aikiman
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 at 8:07pm |
Still a confused aikiman by all this - now we start talking about Bunnies?
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![]() BTW what is an Aiki Bunny? (Dare I ask.)
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Yoshi
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Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 12:57pm |
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You cannot beat Yoshinkan everyone know were the best, that is all that needs to be said.
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AikiBunny
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Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 4:59pm |
I am a AikiBunny, Please come and train at my club just the once because we would like to see your superior knowledge and Aikido, We could infact try and get Shuan and Aikiman there as well.
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Shaun Hoddy
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Posted: 28 Jul 2008 at 10:36am |
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Yoshi, I admire your loyalty to your Aikido style! But I think that you need to broaden your powers of debate a little more, rather than using the same mantra all the time.
I also agree that there are some very good Yoshinkan groups in the UK although I am looking at this as an outsider, without any knowlegde of the political set up with Yoshinkan Aikido in the UK.
Looking at the structure of some of the groups they have very close links to the IYAF with many of the senior instructors having trained at the Hombu or taught by instructor like Sensei Yu in the early 1970's. Many Yoshinkan Aikidoka are very close to the source having been taught by Shioda Sensie or one of his Dechi directly. As my Sensie always said the futher away from the source the muddier the water.
There are many Traditional Aikido groups and Tomiki/Shodokan/Shidokan groups who follow the same type of structure.
Aikido is practiced by all types of people and is a very personal thing some like to practice it as a form of self defence, some as a sport and some a way of keeping fit or a spiritual activity, there is more than one way to climb a mountain.
As someone with a Judo background the structured kata & randori system of Tomiki suited me. I was also very lucky to have an instructor who was taught by Tomiki sensei & Obha sensie or their Dechi directly.
Aikiman, the term Aikibunny is used for Aikidoka who just fall over for each other before correct Kuzushi is applied. I hope that this helps.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2008 at 1:40pm |
Over confidence beats everyone, Look what happens here
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aikiman
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Posted: 28 Jul 2008 at 2:15pm |
Sounds great!
From this thread it looks like I need to broaden my aiki-knowledge!
Tell me which club you practice at, and who the Sensei is (to contact for permission &c.) - if it's not too far I'd love to see your club style.
Best Regards in Aikido.
aikiman
(Will submit more details as and when needed.)
BTW I break easy, so maybe I have been an AikiBunny for a long time!
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Posted: 21 Aug 2009 at 11:07am |
That's why Jean laughed as I hit the deck, before he'd applied the technique... I'm an Aikibunny!
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Danny.P.
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Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 4:21pm |
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Dear Aikidoka of all styles.
I am amazed that Anyone over the grade of 1st kyu would even consider asking such a personal question as to which style of Aikido is best let alone on an Aikido Site????
It shows such a primative understanding of the very essance of what Aikido is all about.
Maybe I should be more Aiki and not respond to this foolishness AND accept that I will meet many types of people within my Life. Some Good and some STUPID.
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I am a Tomiki Aikidoka. And to be quite brutal about this fact that Tomiki is a great style just that very few People who study Tomiki ever grab the concept of what it is about as they get to carried away by there own egos and Medal Hunting.
Danny.P
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