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Originally posted by Danny.P. Danny.P. wrote:

Dear Aikidoka of all styles.
I am amazed that Anyone over the grade of 1st kyu would even consider asking such a personal question as to which style of Aikido is best let alone on an Aikido Site????
It shows such a primative understanding of the very essance of what Aikido is all about.
 
Maybe I should be more Aiki and not respond to this foolishness AND accept that I will meet many types of people within my Life. Some Good and some STUPID.
            BUT
 
I  am a Tomiki Aikidoka. And to be quite brutal about this fact that Tomiki is a great style just that very few People who study Tomiki ever grab the concept of what it is about as they get to carried away by there own egos and Medal Hunting.
 
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Hi Danny
 
If you read the whole thread you may have understood that this was the very first post on the new BAB Forum and was only meant to get people talking. I agree with you about the contest Tomiki players, But Aikido is for everyone and they can perform it what ever way they wish. As a Aikidoka though we would expect people to be more polite and read all before calling people stupid, even if you don't agree with what they say.
 
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Hi Steve

Sorry to have started on the wrong foot Mate I was not intending on upsetting any Aikidoka on this Site. And That if I have I am Truly very sorry.

I am sure What ever You say Is right And I also agree That I should not insult nor Judge anybody regarding intellectual ability.

Although my statement was more about People that I have meet and will meet in Life and not any mention of Aikidoka.BUT you are right to pull People up if and when You feel that they are out of line.

Thank You again for Your kind words of wisdom.

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I found it really interesting reading everyone's responses. It confirms to me two things.

That there is something in Aikido for everyone, and that unfortunately there will be a never ending increase in 'styles' as people find it very difficult to beat their own egos. People seem to have a need to be proved, right.

I train in a 'Ki' style, and for me it's exactly what I'm looking for. However, I have no need or desire to prove it's the 'best'. Because I know it is for me. Just as your style of Aikido, obviously is the best for you.

I didn't start learning Aikido with the intention of being able to 'win' in a fight. I don't think anything would be proved if a Tomiki style aikidoka beat a Yoshinkan in a fight. It would prove, on that day, that person hurt another individual enough to be called a 'winner'.  But in his mind, does he now have to go and fight someone from every other style. Lets assume he beats someone from every style of Aikido, for 10 years in a row. Everyone agrees he's the 'best' and Tomiki is therefore the best. Then one day, he loses.

Is Tomiki now rubbish, are the 10s of years of training he's done wasted?

How many people do you know who trained to get their Black Belt - then suddenly stop?

If you train to win, someone loses. If you train to improve yourself, whether you are a Uki or Nage - you will always be training. If you focus on building up and improving your class, club, dojo and organisation. Then everyone wins, and everyone is 'best'.

Look forward to training with you at the BAB course.


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Hi All
 
Just to say Phils comments ring very true.
 
Also as I am the Webmaster for the BAB It's my job to pull people up on the site but I was not offended. So don't worry.
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I think Aikido gives something for everyone, whether it be in a sporting, martial, spiritual context.  The different 'styles' (the word is loosely used I might add) enables a wide variety of people to practice this martial art, other arts are not so lucky.  There are a number of good people in Aikido as well as bad, which is probably the same for most martial arts, does this mean that one style is better than another, afraid not, a pointless conversation.  At the end of the day, the person makes the style not the other way round.  So I agree with Phil, forget about what others think, train hard, be sincere and open, and you will achieve your goals.  The bigger the ego, generally the harder they fall. %3cmile
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Wow,
 
Another Aikidoka who thinks about his trip down the road of Aikido, So maybe I was right to ask this question in the first place. It does not matter what so called style we train at, in the end its is you not the Aikido that comes out and performs.
 
So if you don't want to talk about this start a new thread about a much more intresting side of Aikido. How about somebody expalin what 'Ki' means to them.
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Sorry for resurrecting such an old thread....actually, is it a matter of regret that this forum is generating new interest? :)

I'd just like to add that as had been said, in my experience there is more variety that carries the label of 'Tomiki' than some outside and even within Tomiki admit awareness of.

Tomiki's primary thing was not competition but his belief in a clear ordered syllabus to enable students to know where they stood and be able to understand in a more clearly tangible way how they progressed.

Others who practised with Tomiki adopted his method of teaching within his clear framework and some of those completely disagreed with the idea of any kind of competition within aiki and refused to attend such events; already in dismay at how they perceived Judo to have abandoned its essence to a large extent in pursuit of being a Sport. Messrs Nariyama and Shishida and their colleagues at the top of their successful organizations are entirely aware of this. However, technically all those practitioners are Tomiki because they adopted his syllabus.

However, to show the common blood that can be found in aiki, my own teacher was as described above, carrying the Tomiki label without competition, but the teacher I've found whose style and philosophy are most similar to my own teacher's is Maruyama Sensei, who falls under the auspices of Ki aiki. I'm now practising within the Traditional world and am glad to find that there are a lot more body throws in proportion to projections in comparison to my other experience, which would suit my teacher who said that aiki and 'real' Judo are the same.

Even in a small tiny corner of one style of aikido, one class or teacher's style can suit each of us on a small part of one technique more than another. What is right or best is only what is right or best for you, here and today. If I like Canon lenses but Nikon bodies, it is what it is and there's a way forward on your own unique path without denying that.

On a final point, the perennial argument of who is closer to what Ueshiba taught/wanted/intended can never be answered, any more than we can say that a river is exactly the same from one moment to the next. Ueshiba Sensei's teachings changed throughout his life and just as how ten people looking at a mug of coffee will have a slightly different view of it, each equally correct, even if we were all stood in the room with him no one person can see the whole of anything.

I wish you all the best.
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Hi Hachiko

A great post and a good explanation, the thread was only started to be controversial and to get people talking, hopefully your post will get them tslking again.
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