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    Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 8:31pm
I hope you answer this everyone,
 
Actually I only prefer Tomiki Aikido, But what do you think, Is one style better than another and if you think it is WHY?
 
In the ADS we practise Tomiki Style although we dont attend many contest's. The BAA are the contest players but of them how many are real randori aikidoka.
 
I am not going to comment to much on the Traditional Style except to say it's the same as Tomiki loads of variation in the way its performed. 
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This begs the question:

"Better for what?"
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You need to define your reply better than that,
 
Better than all other forms of Aikido of course %3cink,  But with such a statement I was hoping for more than 'better than what',  Don't you lot out there care about your style.%3cry
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From Vincent Sumpter (Chairman BAB) - 5th Dan Traditional aikido & 4th Kyu Tomiki system!
 
In the end we all do the same aikido but with variations in style.   Although I am a traditionalist in aikido, I have been fortunate enough to be a guest instructor at the British Aikido Association's Leeds Summer School Seminar for the past 15 or so years.   In that time I have learnt to appreciate the value of the Tomiki system of training.   When not teaching I have joined in their classes as a student and been bounced around by kyu grades and dan grades who really know their stuff.   I would defend the merits of both competition, tomiki style, and traditional style in equal measure.   Indeed, just to see whether I could cut the mustard, I recently - at the age of 63 - decided to put on a white belt and train specifically at a local BAA Tomiki Club just to see where I could get to in their grading system;  my object being to learn and demonstrate their Randori-no-kata (their 17 basic techniques) which has to be performed in a very precise way.   I might be a 5th Dan in traditional aikido but I found the exactness of movements required to satisfy the grading panel at kyu level extremely difficult to master (a bit of the "you can't teach an old dog new tricks") as I wanted to revert to "my way" of doing shihonage, kotegaeshi, nikkyo, etc, etc.   I managed to get to Orange belt and did enter a competition as a team member in the Tanto avoidance discipline - the team got  Silver medals despite my losing my bout!!!   I made up for it by training 2 of their players in the open weapons section with a kumi-jo kata - they took Gold medals at the 2007 world championships held in the USA.
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Thanks Vincent
 
I too have tried other styles of Aikido and truthfully started Tomiki because it was the club that my mate started to train at. That was over 30 years ago! I am sure most people start their styles in a similar manor. The Tomiki style as you found out has its strengths but so to all the rest, Like you i had trouble forgetting what i already knew. I also had to try and forget Judo and Karate while trying out different Aikido styles, I always came back to my roots though not because Tomiki was any better but it was where my friends were.
 
What experiences have other people had?
 
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Sorry to be a spoil sport!

I do think it's important to come up with some criteria though.  I expect some styles are generally better at some things than others, for example some might be better for physical fitness, others might be better at developing a certain state of mind.

I'm not saying that therefore everything evens out in the end, just that don't we need to decide what it is that makes for a better style in the first place?


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Hmm, so you like running around a mat with a limp ***** in your hand! %3c3c3censored [ Moderated - Please read the Policy]
 
Well we all have are little problems, but I am shore they can be treated %3cvil%20Smil%3c
 
I think you have wasted 30 years. Tomiki is NOT Aikido just a sport! %3c3c3cry
 
Aikido is an art. %3c3c3clap
 
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Edited by John - 17 Jul 2008 at 11:20pm
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I am interested to know why someone thinks that one style is better than another?

How long does it take to become perfect?
 
Take the best practised of each style, define your 'criteria' (as Graham suggested), and then 'decide' which is better.  (Personally, e.g.  I prefer a 'gun-style' to 'un-armed' if brought to a fight.%3cmile)  Just because one has practiced their own style well, and so cannot easily assimilate another style does not mean that the former is better - it means that they are not flexible enough or practiced enough to take on an unfamiliar variant; Sensei V. Sumpter has adequately shown that he trains first before judging.  If you are proficient in all styles, then I can understand your favouritism one for another according to your own person - anything else is pure provocation for chat forum purposes.
 
BTW what is a sport?  What is an art? Is aikido a sport/art? Which martial art is best? Which variant? Which Sensei? ........ (yawn.)  
 
BTW (2)   I am not sure what the limp ***** refers to - presumably not the best form of attack!
 
Greetings to you all, whatever your style, ability &c. -  in Aikido.
Aikiman.
 
 
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Hi John,
 
I am interested in why you feel Tomiki Aikido is only a sport? 
 
For me the sport side the Tomiki system is a very small part of what we do and there are many Tomiki Aikido clubs out there that never enter competition but use it as a tool to check the effectiveness of there technique. 
 
Aikido is Aikido no matter what type, style or however you call it.  In fact it is almost as individual as each teacher that sets up a club or member that takes part.  Take a look at your own club and tell me that teachers and members all do Aikido in the same way?
 
By your comments it appears that you may not have tried Tomiki or any other styles of Aikido?  Please let us know.
 
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To Answer Aikiman
'I am interested to know why someone thinks that one style is better than another?'
 
To get you lot talking to each other, The best way be controversial
 
As you can see it's got John going, I thought that being a good Aikidoka meant you have an open mind, But it seems thats not always true.
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